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		<title>By: Steve King</title>
		<link>http://artwranglers.com.au/when-art-gives-architecture-a-good-name-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14656</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 04:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realise how rare, and how refreshing it is to have feedback on the lived in performance of a building that has been in the literature describing only the way it is meant to work.

I teach. That kind of literature of architecture is the bane of my life. 

On the rare occasions that one comes across a little bit of candour, a client ruefully admitting underperformance of the building, but speaking of it kindly and not even hinting at shafting the architect who was a partner in the experiment, my students get a glimpse into both reality and the ideal.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realise how rare, and how refreshing it is to have feedback on the lived in performance of a building that has been in the literature describing only the way it is meant to work.</p>
<p>I teach. That kind of literature of architecture is the bane of my life. </p>
<p>On the rare occasions that one comes across a little bit of candour, a client ruefully admitting underperformance of the building, but speaking of it kindly and not even hinting at shafting the architect who was a partner in the experiment, my students get a glimpse into both reality and the ideal.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Marr Grounds: glass artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marr Grounds: glass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] view from the front windows at Marr Grounds&#8217; house Narra Bukulla at Tanja is a carefully crafted landscape. The foreground is functional, the middle distance is a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: timber frame restoration</title>
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		<dc:creator>timber frame restoration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pole building trusses</title>
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		<dc:creator>pole building trusses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christine James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel, your desciption of &quot;clapped out bushland&quot; describes a vast amount of country, including what now constitute National Parks. There are many examples on the South Coast eg Jervis Bay which were logged, inappropriately grazed on, and of course feral animals exist in vast amounts of the entire Australian continent. 

My point is, when receiving or purchasing &quot;clapped out bushland&quot; we are all faced with the question of how to be an eco- custodian of that land whilst living on it. Many people today think the most eco-appropriate thing to do is to allow the land to regenerate, instead of further disturbing and already disturbed ecosystem. The Aus environment is remarkably resilient in many places (where there is adequate rainfall). Bush Heritage Australia&#039;s property near Bredbo, Scottsdale, has all the history you described of Marr Grounds&#039; property. Yet it is being actively and passionately regenerated...so it will again become a place of enormous indigenous significance. I would also like to acknowledge that there are many people actively involved in Holistic Grazing, including at Scottsdale, as a way of actually making money from the land as well as improving the health of the entire ecosystem.


I mentioned the water tank installation at Lerida Estate Winery, Lake George, as the bank of 13 or 14 large tall-thin (rather than fat- wide) are installed under the eave of the large roof, against the outer wall of the production shed/tasting room. They form a beautiful architectural feature, keep the wine production/storage room cool in summer,  as well as providing enough stored rainwater to produce one season&#039;s wine production. The architect, Glen Murcutt researched the annual rainfall of Lake George, and from other vineyard records was able to work out how much water was needed for one season&#039;s wine production (alot), then worked out how much water the roof he could design could distribute. I will send you a snap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel, your desciption of &#8220;clapped out bushland&#8221; describes a vast amount of country, including what now constitute National Parks. There are many examples on the South Coast eg Jervis Bay which were logged, inappropriately grazed on, and of course feral animals exist in vast amounts of the entire Australian continent. </p>
<p>My point is, when receiving or purchasing &#8220;clapped out bushland&#8221; we are all faced with the question of how to be an eco- custodian of that land whilst living on it. Many people today think the most eco-appropriate thing to do is to allow the land to regenerate, instead of further disturbing and already disturbed ecosystem. The Aus environment is remarkably resilient in many places (where there is adequate rainfall). Bush Heritage Australia&#8217;s property near Bredbo, Scottsdale, has all the history you described of Marr Grounds&#8217; property. Yet it is being actively and passionately regenerated&#8230;so it will again become a place of enormous indigenous significance. I would also like to acknowledge that there are many people actively involved in Holistic Grazing, including at Scottsdale, as a way of actually making money from the land as well as improving the health of the entire ecosystem.</p>
<p>I mentioned the water tank installation at Lerida Estate Winery, Lake George, as the bank of 13 or 14 large tall-thin (rather than fat- wide) are installed under the eave of the large roof, against the outer wall of the production shed/tasting room. They form a beautiful architectural feature, keep the wine production/storage room cool in summer,  as well as providing enough stored rainwater to produce one season&#8217;s wine production. The architect, Glen Murcutt researched the annual rainfall of Lake George, and from other vineyard records was able to work out how much water was needed for one season&#8217;s wine production (alot), then worked out how much water the roof he could design could distribute. I will send you a snap.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to</description>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris. By &quot;clapped out bushland&quot; I mean it had been logged, grazed, full of ferals etc. Marr has tanks in every direction, and in that part of the world they&#039;re always full to overflowing. The dam serves as a reservoir for irrigation in dry weather and in case of fire - there&#039;s a diesel pump and a perimeter of sprinklers around the house. I&#039;ve seen it in rainy weather and the topography has been very carefully worked out to divert any final overflow from the reed beds past the dam. Apart from the orchards and vege gardens the plantings have mirrored the local flora, keeping in mind bushfire planning. Yes, it&#039;s not new, but each new experiment adds to the knowledge gained by precedents. Take a look someday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris. By &#8220;clapped out bushland&#8221; I mean it had been logged, grazed, full of ferals etc. Marr has tanks in every direction, and in that part of the world they&#8217;re always full to overflowing. The dam serves as a reservoir for irrigation in dry weather and in case of fire &#8211; there&#8217;s a diesel pump and a perimeter of sprinklers around the house. I&#8217;ve seen it in rainy weather and the topography has been very carefully worked out to divert any final overflow from the reed beds past the dam. Apart from the orchards and vege gardens the plantings have mirrored the local flora, keeping in mind bushfire planning. Yes, it&#8217;s not new, but each new experiment adds to the knowledge gained by precedents. Take a look someday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christine James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;clapped out bushland&quot; begs to be elaborated on, when so organisations like Bush Heritage Australia et al are buying properties that many would describe as &quot;clapped out bushland&quot;.  How has the created &quot;landscape architecture&quot; enhanced the biodiversity of Marr Grounds&#039; land? Having said this I like the wired in rooms for vegetables and fruit trees.

With such a huge roof, the other idea that comes to mind is an installation of a large but elegant banks of water tanks to hold rain water. Surely this is better for the land than creating artificial dams, or am I being too idealistic. Glen Mercutt&#039;s installation of tall narrow water tanks at Lerida Estate, Lake George sets a precedent for contemporary Australian architecture, both rural and urban.

Marr Grounds is to be heartily congratulated for his ecominimalist quest in this building, but this is hardly a recent development in Australian architecture. I recall being shown about 27 years ago a most beautiful home at Mangrove Mountain, on a piece of rugged Hawkesbury sandstone with its marvellous flora and fauna. The building was clad in corrugated iron, and had a steel frame with floating timber floors, sited on an east-west axis to retain winter sun, and so on. I had never seen a home like this - one that seemed to address its superb natural site more than any other I had ever encountered. Perhaps it was designed by Glen Mercutt? In any case, it certainly succeeded in &quot;touching the earth lightly&quot;. The earth beneath the home was allowed to continue to live, instead of being covered over by a slab of concrete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;clapped out bushland&#8221; begs to be elaborated on, when so organisations like Bush Heritage Australia et al are buying properties that many would describe as &#8220;clapped out bushland&#8221;.  How has the created &#8220;landscape architecture&#8221; enhanced the biodiversity of Marr Grounds&#8217; land? Having said this I like the wired in rooms for vegetables and fruit trees.</p>
<p>With such a huge roof, the other idea that comes to mind is an installation of a large but elegant banks of water tanks to hold rain water. Surely this is better for the land than creating artificial dams, or am I being too idealistic. Glen Mercutt&#8217;s installation of tall narrow water tanks at Lerida Estate, Lake George sets a precedent for contemporary Australian architecture, both rural and urban.</p>
<p>Marr Grounds is to be heartily congratulated for his ecominimalist quest in this building, but this is hardly a recent development in Australian architecture. I recall being shown about 27 years ago a most beautiful home at Mangrove Mountain, on a piece of rugged Hawkesbury sandstone with its marvellous flora and fauna. The building was clad in corrugated iron, and had a steel frame with floating timber floors, sited on an east-west axis to retain winter sun, and so on. I had never seen a home like this &#8211; one that seemed to address its superb natural site more than any other I had ever encountered. Perhaps it was designed by Glen Mercutt? In any case, it certainly succeeded in &#8220;touching the earth lightly&#8221;. The earth beneath the home was allowed to continue to live, instead of being covered over by a slab of concrete.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your website is so sweet I posted it on my environmental architecture blog. www.greenteam.blogspot.com. I only put in the BEST stuff... CONGRATS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your website is so sweet I posted it on my environmental architecture blog. <a href="http://www.greenteam.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenteam.blogspot.com</a>. I only put in the BEST stuff&#8230; CONGRATS!!!</p>
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